Comments for Laigle's Forum http://laiglesforum.com Christian Activism Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:45:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 Comment on FLDS case threatens child welfare. TAKE ACTION by observer http://laiglesforum.com/2008/07/16/is-mormon-a-cult/#comment-16649 observer Sun, 20 Jul 2008 04:26:59 +0000 http://laiglesforum.com/?p=289#comment-16649 Boise Leon: Its easy to think up lies and excuses about those who have escaped. Its so easy to demean them, and continue their portrayal of polygamy with dream descriptions that defy logic. I am truly sorry you believe this way. These online sites are part of FLDS, which is controlled by a few men who are used to being entitled to the portrayal of their abuse to be re-written for the general public. Sorry, the officials of Texas entered that ranch and saw with their own eyes what was there. The officials of of Texas, witnessed the behavior of the women and children of that ranch and their observations ARE EVIDENCE. FLDS can lie, and lie, and lie on and on and on but the general public is not going to go for it. So maybe these men should save your breath for the convictions. Did you know that the majority of the men flew the coup, having no regard for their responsibilties, leaving your progeny and wives to cope with this alone? That is nothing new to them anyway, because their involvement always was distant at best. After all, how could anyone with plural wives support them and their children properly, with the attention, time, energy, love and affection they deserve? These selfish men could not possibly provide that because they are only concerned about what they receive from them, not what they give. How can one man service more than one wife, and her children without causing serious mental anguish, pain and sadness? Boise Leon:

Its easy to think up lies and excuses about those who have escaped. Its so easy to demean them, and continue their portrayal of polygamy with dream descriptions that defy logic. I am truly sorry you believe this way. These online sites are part of FLDS, which is controlled by a few men who are used to being entitled to the portrayal of their abuse to be re-written for the general public. Sorry, the officials of Texas entered that ranch and saw with their own eyes what was there. The officials of of Texas, witnessed the behavior of the women and children of that ranch and their observations ARE EVIDENCE. FLDS can lie, and lie, and lie on and on and on but the general public is not going to go for it. So maybe these men should save your breath for the convictions. Did you know that the majority of the men flew the coup, having no regard for their responsibilties, leaving your progeny and wives to cope with this alone? That is nothing new to them anyway, because their involvement always was distant at best. After all, how could anyone with plural wives support them and their children properly, with the attention, time, energy, love and affection they deserve? These selfish men could not possibly provide that because they are only concerned about what they receive from them, not what they give. How can one man service more than one wife, and her children without causing serious mental anguish, pain and sadness?

]]> Comment on FLDS case threatens child welfare. TAKE ACTION by LAIGLESFORUM http://laiglesforum.com/2008/07/16/is-mormon-a-cult/#comment-16644 LAIGLESFORUM Sat, 19 Jul 2008 04:46:19 +0000 http://laiglesforum.com/?p=289#comment-16644 Hello Boise, You write: "It will make you appear more literate." Yes, all I want to do is APPEAR literate. Thanks for the compliment, but no thanks. You really can't help yourself, can you? Ok. I don't take it all that seriously. I certainly suggest that those on this forum who want to learn more about LDS check this out. If anyone has any further comments, they will be appreciated. Hello Boise,
You write:
“It will make you appear more literate.”
Yes, all I want to do is APPEAR literate.
Thanks for the compliment, but no thanks.
You really can’t help yourself, can you?
Ok. I don’t take it all that seriously.
I certainly suggest that those on this forum who want to learn more about LDS check this out.
If anyone has any further comments, they will be appreciated.

]]> Comment on FLDS case threatens child welfare. TAKE ACTION by Boise Leon http://laiglesforum.com/2008/07/16/is-mormon-a-cult/#comment-16643 Boise Leon Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:37:41 +0000 http://laiglesforum.com/?p=289#comment-16643 Donald, I understand you. I have some suggestions. The following two men have exceptional blogs and write almost daily about what is current. Get deep into Pliggy’s blog and you will see the history of what happened in Texas from a viewpoint other than the main stream media. About ex FLDS members and why they write what they do: http://www.truthwillprevail.org/ Pliggy, an ex FLDS who knows everybody and is first cousins or step sibling to all the current naysayers such as Flora and Carolyn Jessup, Dan Fisher and Lissa Wahl. He has a massive archive of real history and beliefs of people faithful and apostate. I could read this guy for hours. http://fldsview.blogspot.com/ I will write later about one subject at a time. There are too many balls in the air to catch them all. Here is a suggestion. It will make you appear more literate. You study Mormonism or Mormon doctrine. It is kind of like Buda that way. Mormon is a nickname for someone who is one. You still don’t know which one because there are about 20 varieties. We can talk about that next time. Meanwhile, seriously check out Pliggy. You will like him. Leon Donald,

I understand you. I have some suggestions. The following two men have exceptional blogs and write almost daily about what is current. Get deep into Pliggy’s blog and you will see the history of what happened in Texas from a viewpoint other than the main stream media.

About ex FLDS members and why they write what they do:
http://www.truthwillprevail.org/

Pliggy, an ex FLDS who knows everybody and is first cousins or step sibling to all the current naysayers such as Flora and Carolyn Jessup, Dan Fisher and Lissa Wahl. He has a massive archive of real history and beliefs of people faithful and apostate. I could read this guy for hours.
http://fldsview.blogspot.com/

I will write later about one subject at a time. There are too many balls in the air to catch them all.

Here is a suggestion. It will make you appear more literate. You study Mormonism or Mormon doctrine. It is kind of like Buda that way. Mormon is a nickname for someone who is one. You still don’t know which one because there are about 20 varieties. We can talk about that next time. Meanwhile, seriously check out Pliggy. You will like him.

Leon

]]> Comment on FLDS case threatens child welfare. TAKE ACTION by LAIGLESFORUM http://laiglesforum.com/2008/07/16/is-mormon-a-cult/#comment-16641 LAIGLESFORUM Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:06:09 +0000 http://laiglesforum.com/?p=289#comment-16641 Leon, Ok, now you sound more like one of us, earnestly pleasing your cause without the anger, or at least doing your best to quash it. Thanks, I appreciate that. Let's start with your Wade vs Rowe charge. The reason I like that analogy is that Wade vs Rowe started America on the downward slide 2 ways: 1--judicial activism, 2--unlimited abortion, which is child killing. Killing children is arguably a form of child abuse--the ultimate--and so is forcing kids to marry or have sex with men, or anyone for that matter. Marilyn based her opinions on the briefs and that is about the closest we can get to the truth for now. The Left--and libertarians as well--like unlimited sex and often forget that others get hurt when people have taboo sex. The taboos didn't come out of thin air. As for indictments against girls who testify against their spouses, I don't think Marilyn even mentioned that. ??? As for Marilyn's grasp of law, she is a trained legal worker, and knows that in cases like this, prosecutors do consider public input. It is important. I too am aware that judges are to be independent. But prosecutors take public opinion into account. "Mob violence"? Which is more violent--the men who browbeat kids into accepting marriage with a bunch of old lechers or decent people trying to protect them? Look, I spent a lot of time in the fathers' rights movement and I know how the system can us "child protection" to manipulate the public. This is not such an example. These kids are being abused. Polygamy is unlawful and wrong for a whole bunch of reasons and they are being manipulated into accepting it. That is unfair to them--last but not least for the boys who are edged out of the community to supply the old leches with fresh sex. You are also wrong on the count of holding things in common. I come from a long line of Anabaptists. The Amish where I grew up hold things in common and I have the greatest respect for them. That is not what bothers me about the LDS. I am concerned about bullyng and stealth tactics to manipulate the public. That bothers me. As for the "peace loving" attribute, it does not tally with the things I have heard from former Mormons. I would like to hear from a former Mormon or someone who has studied Mormon in depth. Leon,
Ok, now you sound more like one of us, earnestly pleasing your cause without the anger, or at least doing your best to quash it.
Thanks, I appreciate that.
Let’s start with your Wade vs Rowe charge. The reason I like that analogy is that Wade vs Rowe started America on the downward slide 2 ways: 1–judicial activism, 2–unlimited abortion, which is child killing.
Killing children is arguably a form of child abuse–the ultimate–and so is forcing kids to marry or have sex with men, or anyone for that matter. Marilyn based her opinions on the briefs and that is about the closest we can get to the truth for now. The Left–and libertarians as well–like unlimited sex and often forget that others get hurt when people have taboo sex. The taboos didn’t come out of thin air.
As for indictments against girls who testify against their spouses, I don’t think Marilyn even mentioned that. ???
As for Marilyn’s grasp of law, she is a trained legal worker, and knows that in cases like this, prosecutors do consider public input. It is important. I too am aware that judges are to be independent. But prosecutors take public opinion into account.
“Mob violence”? Which is more violent–the men who browbeat kids into accepting marriage with a bunch of old lechers or decent people trying to protect them? Look, I spent a lot of time in the fathers’ rights movement and I know how the system can us “child protection” to manipulate the public.
This is not such an example. These kids are being abused. Polygamy is unlawful and wrong for a whole bunch of reasons and they are being manipulated into accepting it. That is unfair to them–last but not least for the boys who are edged out of the community to supply the old leches with fresh sex.
You are also wrong on the count of holding things in common. I come from a long line of Anabaptists. The Amish where I grew up hold things in common and I have the greatest respect for them. That is not what bothers me about the LDS. I am concerned about bullyng and stealth tactics to manipulate the public. That bothers me.
As for the “peace loving” attribute, it does not tally with the things I have heard from former Mormons.
I would like to hear from a former Mormon or someone who has studied Mormon in depth.

]]> Comment on FLDS case threatens child welfare. TAKE ACTION by Boise Leon http://laiglesforum.com/2008/07/16/is-mormon-a-cult/#comment-16640 Boise Leon Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:52:56 +0000 http://laiglesforum.com/?p=289#comment-16640 Marilyn’s column is quite lengthy as to the number of items she includes and she is quite confused as to what causes what and even left from right. I find it full of contradictions such as equating Roe v Wade and issuing indictments against 14 year old girls who will testify against their 50 year old spouses. The reason there are no indictments is that there is no evidence of such acts. The Judge has had three months to come up with charges and none have been filed yet. In Marilyn’s mind there is not much difference between public outcry and mob violence. Public outcry is not reason to put someone in jail. Mob violence causes lynching. I don’t think she has a grasp of how the law is designed to work. Even in your mind the left/right thing is confused. You commented on my Leftist diatribe as if you knew how I think. I am as conservative as Ron Paul, and I sincerely believe that our founding fathers were inspired by God to give us constitutional law to protect us from excesses of government as displayed by CPS in Texas. You make a mistake when you “mind rape” and try to tell someone what they think. The only person fooled is your self. I think you may be hung up on leftist leanings because this particular group holds all things in common, just like the early Christians. This is a hard principle to live and others have failed in the past. The concept of a common village does not scale up very well and has problems when trying to live in two systems of property ownership. The local merchants wonder where they buy their stuff and the paid preachers wonder why they don’t put anything in their collection plates. By that, you would suppose they do not get along well with others. Truth is, they have farms, dairies, manufacturing, schools, church buildings and most of what they need. They are self sustaining. Here is a thought. If preachers tell us the truth, then why should they be paid? Don’t you think that they will get the idea that they will tell us what we are willing to pay for? If you really wanted to know about Mormons you wouldn’t be reading the books you are cutting and pasting from. Mormons are very prolific writers and they make it all free on the internet. Try LDS.org or Mormon.org. The first is for members and the second is for non members, but written without the jargon. I am not an apologist for the FLDS but I understand them when they speak out. I know that they try to do the right thing as they know it. They are a lot more peace loving than the rest of us. Marilyn’s column is quite lengthy as to the number of items she includes and she is quite confused as to what causes what and even left from right. I find it full of contradictions such as equating Roe v Wade and issuing indictments against 14 year old girls who will testify against their 50 year old spouses. The reason there are no indictments is that there is no evidence of such acts. The Judge has had three months to come up with charges and none have been filed yet. In Marilyn’s mind there is not much difference between public outcry and mob violence. Public outcry is not reason to put someone in jail. Mob violence causes lynching. I don’t think she has a grasp of how the law is designed to work. Even in your mind the left/right thing is confused. You commented on my Leftist diatribe as if you knew how I think. I am as conservative as Ron Paul, and I sincerely believe that our founding fathers were inspired by God to give us constitutional law to protect us from excesses of government as displayed by CPS in Texas. You make a mistake when you “mind rape” and try to tell someone what they think. The only person fooled is your self. I think you may be hung up on leftist leanings because this particular group holds all things in common, just like the early Christians. This is a hard principle to live and others have failed in the past. The concept of a common village does not scale up very well and has problems when trying to live in two systems of property ownership. The local merchants wonder where they buy their stuff and the paid preachers wonder why they don’t put anything in their collection plates. By that, you would suppose they do not get along well with others. Truth is, they have farms, dairies, manufacturing, schools, church buildings and most of what they need. They are self sustaining.
Here is a thought. If preachers tell us the truth, then why should they be paid? Don’t you think that they will get the idea that they will tell us what we are willing to pay for?
If you really wanted to know about Mormons you wouldn’t be reading the books you are cutting and pasting from. Mormons are very prolific writers and they make it all free on the internet. Try LDS.org or Mormon.org. The first is for members and the second is for non members, but written without the jargon. I am not an apologist for the FLDS but I understand them when they speak out. I know that they try to do the right thing as they know it. They are a lot more peace loving than the rest of us.

]]> Comment on FLDS case threatens child welfare. TAKE ACTION by observer http://laiglesforum.com/2008/07/16/is-mormon-a-cult/#comment-16639 observer Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:01:20 +0000 http://laiglesforum.com/?p=289#comment-16639 If you read the briefs from the case that are in the links provided for this article. You will read how the children would give a different name each time they met with the caregivers. You will note that the children described their home as one big family that included the entire ranch. Documents prove the children were moved from household to household, to one mother, to another mother. These meant that every child was at the disposal and reach of any adult at the ranch. The records show that there were a few adult child molesters at the ranch. Therefore, every child was at risk. If any one can make any sense out of the oppositions briefs please post. Thanks. If you read the briefs from the case that are in the links provided for this article. You will read how the children would give a different name each time they met with the caregivers. You will note that the children described their home as one big family that included the entire ranch. Documents prove the children were moved from household to household, to one mother, to another mother. These meant that every child was at the disposal and reach of any adult at the ranch. The records show that there were a few adult child molesters at the ranch. Therefore, every child was at risk. If any one can make any sense out of the oppositions briefs please post. Thanks.

]]> Comment on FLDS case threatens child welfare. TAKE ACTION by LAIGLESFORUM http://laiglesforum.com/2008/07/16/is-mormon-a-cult/#comment-16638 LAIGLESFORUM Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:53:32 +0000 http://laiglesforum.com/?p=289#comment-16638 Here is the post I had blocked until now. Note that it reads just like a Leftist diatribe. This post in itself goes further to prove the author's allegation that Mormon is reminiscent of the left in its discourse. Note that there is no evidence or new information to rebut what the author says, just ad hominem attacks and insults. If this is the face of Mormon, be afraid. It is the Left on steroids: Wow! An impressive string of non sequiters, lies and hearsays! So, are you prepared to give testimony that the FLDS burned the governor’s mansion? The state of Texas was trying to commit genocide, for crying out loud. The CPS is completely outside the constitutional guarantees of this country. Acting on false witness warrants, kidnapping of innocent children, assuming that everybody lies even when presenting legal government ID. You don’t have a clue about right and wrong. Your trusted sources are from lying priestcraft sources. Follow the money, your preachers have lied to you and you ate it up. Here is the post I had blocked until now. Note that it reads just like a Leftist diatribe. This post in itself goes further to prove the author’s allegation that Mormon is reminiscent of the left in its discourse. Note that there is no evidence or new information to rebut what the author says, just ad hominem attacks and insults. If this is the face of Mormon, be afraid. It is the Left on steroids:

Wow! An impressive string of non sequiters, lies and hearsays!

So, are you prepared to give testimony that the FLDS burned the governor’s mansion?

The state of Texas was trying to commit genocide, for crying out loud. The CPS is completely outside the constitutional guarantees of this country. Acting on false witness warrants, kidnapping of innocent children, assuming that everybody lies even when presenting legal government ID.

You don’t have a clue about right and wrong. Your trusted sources are from lying priestcraft sources. Follow the money, your preachers have lied to you and you ate it up.

]]> Comment on FLDS case threatens child welfare. TAKE ACTION by LAIGLESFORUM http://laiglesforum.com/2008/07/16/is-mormon-a-cult/#comment-16635 LAIGLESFORUM Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:22:39 +0000 http://laiglesforum.com/?p=289#comment-16635 Like I said, it is probably the most controversial column we have ever run, and the responses we have had so far show how deep feelings run in this area. One defender of Mormon tried to post a lengthy defense of Mormonism, which I can't run because of the length and because it does not directly address the polygamy aspect that was the focus of Marilyn's column. Another wrote a post which adds no new information, spews hate against mainstream Christians, and you must know by now, we don't traffic in emptiness and boredom here. Keeping it polite and sticking to the facts also goes a long way. You may not like what we write, but boring it ain't. We expect the same of you. Is that asking too much? If you want to see yourself in print, add something new and keep it brief. Mormons are more than welcome to post! Just remember the rules. Like I said, it is probably the most controversial column we have ever run, and the responses we have had so far show how deep feelings run in this area.
One defender of Mormon tried to post a lengthy defense of Mormonism, which I can’t run because of the length and because it does not directly address the polygamy aspect that was the focus of Marilyn’s column. Another wrote a post which adds no new information, spews hate against mainstream Christians, and you must know by now, we don’t traffic in emptiness and boredom here. Keeping it polite and sticking to the facts also goes a long way.
You may not like what we write, but boring it ain’t. We expect the same of you. Is that asking too much?
If you want to see yourself in print, add something new and keep it brief.
Mormons are more than welcome to post! Just remember the rules.

]]> Comment on FLDS case threatens child welfare. TAKE ACTION by thenonconformer http://laiglesforum.com/2008/07/16/is-mormon-a-cult/#comment-16632 thenonconformer Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:47:58 +0000 http://laiglesforum.com/?p=289#comment-16632 >>Don’t expect a group that considers child abuse as part of their religious creed to play nice! Mormons never seem to play nice, in my own witnesss too, they seem to practise winning at all costs and they do not care who they hurt in the process, not even their own wife.. >>Don’t expect a group that considers child abuse as part of their religious creed to play nice!

Mormons never seem to play nice, in my own witnesss too, they seem to practise winning at all costs and they do not care who they hurt in the process, not even their own wife..

]]> Comment on FLDS case threatens child welfare. TAKE ACTION by Conspirama http://laiglesforum.com/2008/07/16/is-mormon-a-cult/#comment-16631 Conspirama Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:03:49 +0000 http://laiglesforum.com/?p=289#comment-16631 <strong>FLDS case threatens child welfare. TAKE ACTION...</strong> Another mark of a cult is their challenge to revered religions through mind control techniques of the cult’s invention. A trusted evangelical source, the Index of Cults and Religions, at Watchman Fellowship online, explains mind control ...... FLDS case threatens child welfare. TAKE ACTION…

Another mark of a cult is their challenge to revered religions through mind control techniques of the cult’s invention. A trusted evangelical source, the Index of Cults and Religions, at Watchman Fellowship online, explains mind control ……

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