Laigle’s Forum

Missing from the jubilant “world opinion” over the brutal murder and torture of the moderate Libyan leader is an analysis of Libyan street opinion. I think I know why no one is talking to them.

Don Hank

It was supposed to be all about the Libyan people. Remember? Yet missing in all the news on the subject of Libya are

1–the reaction of the LIBYAN PEOPLE to the rising specter of Sharia law. (Wasn’t it they whom we so bravely bombed residential areas to “save”?). They have had 40 years of a moderate Western-style judiciary. But they were lured by Western propaganda to seek “democracy” by overthrowing their moderate leader. The narrative was that they would be free, with a strong suggestion that Western style democracy was on the way. Now some are certainly already seeing that their new unelected Sharia law-advocating “leader,” the favorite of the Western Colonial Empire, is far from the freedom they expected.

2–an analysis (poll) of Libyan street opinion on the murder of Ghadaffi. All of a sudden, journalists supportive of “democracy” are oblivious to public opinion. But we’re used to that now, what with bailouts being decided far above our heads and reporters giving our objections short shrift. It’s only our money, after all.

The incontrovertible fact is that enough people in various cities supported Ghadaffi with their lives to prolong the war beyond expectations. Yet the press wants you to believe hatred for Ghadaffi and support for the new radical Islamist government are virtually universal.

Reported are only reactions of world leaders and the new government, i.e., influential elites who have no interest in how the people are treated but everything to gain financially and politically by playing along with the Western Ruling Class – aloof imperial strong men who hypocritically and absurdly supported the illegal torture and murder of prisoner of war Ghadaffi on “humane” grounds — but pretended to care about human rights long enough to take out this moderate leader and replace him with a radical who staunchly defends the lopping off of body parts and stoning as punishment for crimes and even sexual indiscretions. Welcome to democracy, Libya!

Virtually every Western “leader” supported the brutal torture and murder with gleeful words, even laughter or complicit silence.

It is reminiscent of how the US unilaterally instigated a coup in Iran to oust the “tyrannical” Shah only to see him replaced by a tyrant 10 times more heinous and cruel. Or for that matter, how they instigated a coup in Egypt to topple the “tyrant” Mubarek, who in fact was the most Western-friendly stabilizing factor in the region, only to replace him with an unelected military government that raided a Coptic Christian monastery the day they assumed power, wasting no time in stripping off their masks.

How deceitful our elites. How utterly gullible their subjects!

Will we ever learn?

Actually, we always do. After it is too late, like right now!

Read: http://www.medialens.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&layout=blog&id=1&Itemid=8

You can’t say I didn’t warn you: Libya’s new leader wants sharia law.

Don Hank

Newsmax just now reported that the new unelected leader of Libya is a strong proponent of Sharia law – in contradistinction to the moderate Ghadaffi whom we just murdered.

Mustafa Abdul-Jalil, the favorite of NATO, the EU, David Cameron, Nicolas Sarkozy and most other European leaders, as well as of Obama, “laid out a vision for the post-Gadhafi future with an Islamist tint, saying Islamic Sharia law would be the ‘basic source’ of legislation and existing laws that contradict the teachings of Islam would be nullified.”

Why was this no surprise to me?

I had just recently researched Mustafa Abdul Jalil’s background and learned :

After graduating from the department of Shari’a and Law in the Arabic Language and Islamic Studies faculty of University of Libya in 1975, Abdul Jalil was initially “assistant to the Secretary of the Public Prosecutor” in Bayda, before being appointed a judge in 1978.^[6]
Abdul Jalil was a judge “known for ruling consistently against the regime,…”

 I had looked this up in response to naïve comments from a reader who has the misfortune to be addicted to the MSM and apparently has not yet seen the extent to which modern “journalists” are in fact propagandists and little else.

This reader quoted a prediction that if the war were to continue, a half-million Libyans would die.

I read the article this reader linked to and was astonished to find the quote was attributed to none other than the leader of the transition government, Mustafa Abdul Jalil.

So I researched his background and sure enough, he is a proponent of Sharia law.

Now, go ahead and tell me the EU, NATO, Sarkozy and Obama didn’t know this.

We just murdered a man who was a moderate and Western-friendly in order to install a radical Islamist who will rule the same way they rule in Iran and Saudi Arabia. That can only mean the cruelest possible punishments. Just for reference, a Saudi court recently ordered a migrant worker’s eye gouged out.

Ghadaffi had tried Sharia law and found it did not work well in the real world; further, while the Western propaganda bleated that Ghadaffi was a ruthless dictator who swept aside all opposition, he obviously had kept Abdul Jalil alive and in power despite their major differences. If he was so ruthless, why is Abdul Jalil still alive?

OUR money paid for Ghadaffi’s brutal murder. OUR American and British and French blood was spilled to murder a friendly moderate and install a hostile Islamist in Libya.

It is a self-replicating pattern of what was done in Iran, Kosovo, Iraq, Egypt and Ivory Coast: support for rigid, radical Islamists over moderates who tolerated Jews and Christians.

YOUR government did not do it. You do not have a government. You have, in lieu of a legitimate government, a clique of usurpers with superior mind control methods, led by bankers, corporations, media moguls and assorted government agencies and officials in league with each other, who despise you, your values and your Western way of life and, using the language of moderation and tolerance, are stealthily installing leaders in the Middle East to destroy the last traces of Western influence, except for heavily guarded ties to the Western Ruling Class and the banking system (Ghadaffi had made the mistake of establishing an independent Libyan banking system). Nothing has changed since the late 1880s when a small group of rich radicals met at a private home in a banking area of London for the purpose of accomplishing two heinous goals throughout the world: 1) Install socialism, and 2) eliminate Western (particularly Christian) culture. They later took the name “Fabian Society” and are still quite active today, both in the open, and more importantly, under a cloak of secrecy. Mild-mannered Tony Blair is a member.

Things are going swimmingly for them, what with millions of Muslims imported against the will of the people and wars in the Middle East that tend to strangle Christian influence there.

People don’t get it. They say “these leaders must be crazy” and “if only we could make them understand what they are doing to us.”

But they know exactly what they are doing to us. And they are far from crazy. But so far we have been docile little toadies bowing and scraping before them and dutifully taking notes as they instruct us in the most efficient means of self destruction.

That must stop or we are doomed.

Pray for Israel. Pray for the Middle East Christians.

Pray that others will wake up and see the evil shadow government behind the mask and behind weasel words like peace, sustainable development, green energy, wealth redistribution, quantitative easing…

The Ruling Elites also speak out of both sides of their mouths on Israel and the Jews, subtly promoting anti-Jewish sentiment eerily reminiscent of Germany in the 30s and 40s, while pretending to honor holocaust victims. As a result of their anti-Jewish whispering campaign, I find that even some of my freedom advocating correspondents in Europe, who properly grasp that the EU is a dictatorship, show decidedly anti-Jewish sentiments, failing to understand that in so doing, they are, tragically, supporting the people they think they are opposing.

The words of Western “leaders” mean just the opposite of what they say and suggest.

Open your eyes.

You can’t fight an invisible enemy, and you can’t survive if you don’t fight back.

I tried to warn you before:

http://laiglesforum.com/ghadaffi-dies-of-propaganda-overdose/2772.htm

http://laiglesforum.com/i-told-you-so-again/2697.htm

http://laiglesforum.com/my-government-is-killing-me/2159.htm

http://laiglesforum.com/spare-me-the-crocodile-tears-when-northern-africa-explodes/2215.htm

http://laiglesforum.com/how-western-powers-abet-christian-persecution/2513.htm

http://laiglesforum.com/us-media-cover-up-ivory-coast-massacre-details/2398.htm

http://laiglesforum.com/why-i-am-not-on-our-side-any-more/2174.htm

http://laiglesforum.com/the-far-left-connection-to-the-near-east-rebellion/2224.htm

http://laiglesforum.com/2286/2286.htm

The Fabian society:

http://centurean2.wordpress.com/2010/10/31/the-city-of-london-and-the-fabian-society-2/

Obama’s Libya:

I don’t mind one bit saying “I told you so” to all those — particularly journalists – who ignored my objective, fact-supported arguments against Western military and foreign policy in the Middle East and wound up with egg on their face as a result. (I have been trying to revive the nearly-lost scientific method and apply it to journalism, which has become nothing but a series of propaganda mills. So far, there seem to be no takers).

Obama and NATO must bear the responsibility for the fall of Kaddafi, and I have warned that this fall of a stable secular Middle Eastern leader will come back to bite the West hard in the butt.

Now Fox News and others are finally cautiously discussing the fact that the rebels are an unknown quantity and may not be as benign as they were portrayed back when they seemed to have much less chance of winning. Last night it was pointed out by Sean Hannity and Oliver North that they are a mix of tribal representatives and terrorists and their new proposed constitution already calls for sharia law, in stark contrast to Kadaffi’s secular constitution (miss him yet?).

Most telling was the remark: “Obama owns Libya.”

In case you have forgotten our direct military involvement in Libya, in addition to Obama’s repeated calls for Kadaffi (sp Gadhaffi in the linked article) to step down, here is the report on the joint French-American Operation Odyssey Dawn the day after it happened:

http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/news/x617854948/France-U-S-bomb-Libyan-positions

 Back in March, I found no mainstream commentators on the left or right criticizing the West’s role in this operation or in Egypt. In fact, there has been a steady stream of “conservative” criticism against Obama for not going after Kadaffi more resolutely. (The clueless candidates — most recently Bachmann — mostly followed their clueless lead, bleating similar statements). Generally, there is a dearth of substantive criticism of any Western military involvement by left or right, no doubt for political or career reasons (many fear appearing unpatriotic, even though honest and objective commentary would ultimately save Western lives and Western embarrassment), but also due to a serious shortage of brain power. Now that a Marxist is in the White House, mainstream conservatives are finally criticizing our involvement in a Middle East conflict, but mainly because they can pin the fallout on the Left. But none of them mentioned that the regimes in post-Carter Iran, post-Clinton Kosovo, post-Bush Iraq, post-rebellion Egypt and the Ivory Coast, once ruled by secularists, are now in the hands of democratically elected Islamist leaders or mobs who openly persecute and murder Christians wholesale  (see, for example, the 4th link below on the Ivory Coast massacre of Christians presided over by the UN) and do not believe in Israel’s right to exist. (A nation that allows Muslims to live within its boundaries, whereas Muslim nations typically forbid Israelis — or often any Jews — even to visit. How fair and democratic is that?).

By contrast, I (who have nothing to lose, am not being paid for this and answer to no one) was warning repeatedly about the error in our involvement in the Middle East, not just by Democrat presidents, notably Obama, but also by Republicans (BTW, Reagan, who pulled us out of Lebanon, was an exception), and pointing out then-unheeded facts to state my case, reminding, for example, that the local Christian populations were always the ones who paid the biggest price when a stable secular leader was replaced by a mob, which eventually, inevitably, turned into an Islamic-led government with significantly less freedom for the people than under the “cruel dictators” we replaced – as well as vastly less diversity, which, oddly, Western powers prize in their countries. Israel, of course, came closer to the brink of war with each successive “win” and Iran was given a permanent pass by the West, as though these merciless enforcers of brutal Sharia law, who execute countless people for sexual misdeeds and inappropriate clothing, were lily-white defenders of human rights (as we speak, there are 2 Americans jailed in Iran for “spying,” on flimsy evidence). I sent links to each of my articles on this subject to thousands of potential readers, including major news outlets, inclucing to all Fox News personalities. News people typically do not respond, but judging by last night’s commentary by Sean, perhaps they had read some of what I said here:

http://laiglesforum.com/my-government-is-killing-me/2159.htm

here

http://laiglesforum.com/spare-me-the-crocodile-tears-when-northern-africa-explodes/2215.htm

here

http://laiglesforum.com/how-western-powers-abet-christian-persecution/2513.htm

here

http://laiglesforum.com/us-media-cover-up-ivory-coast-massacre-details/2398.htm

here

http://laiglesforum.com/why-i-am-not-on-our-side-any-more/2174.htm

here

http://laiglesforum.com/the-far-left-connection-to-the-near-east-rebellion/2224.htm

and here

http://laiglesforum.com/2286/2286.htm

Olavo de Carvalho also warned you here:

http://laiglesforum.com/strengthening-the-enemies/2126.htm

Look, I don’t mind people calling me crazy. But you journalists who lead the Western world by providing information to decision makers, should know by now that, in the long run, ignoring warnings about the West’s disastrous involvement in the Middle East is going to hurt you a whole lot more than it does the warning party.

Don Hank

Blatantly anti-Christian Western foreign policy: support of anti-Christian dictators, war against Christian supporters 

by Don Hank

Recently, it was reported that Chinese Catholics will defy their government’s ban  on observing the International Day of Prayer.

But how can there be a government ban on this, since prayer is speech, which is, to quote Barack Obama, a “universal right.” Obama said that in a speech warning Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak not to step on the human rights of Egyptian protesters, who were destroying government property and burning cars in the streets.

So what did our courageous White House resident have to say about the blatant human rights violations in China?

Nothing. Neither did any other Western “leader.”

In fact, no president has complained about any human rights violations in China, where Christianity is strictly regulated, and in North Korea, where North Korea, where Christians are reportedly jailed, beaten, executed and, in one case, pulverized with steam rollers, and where Kim Jong Il reportedly starved 2 million people to death.

The official Western response to inhumane dictators is always the same:

1–ignore any human rights violations against Christians anywhere

2–support groups hostile to Christians

As I showed in a previous article, in every conflict involving Muslims, the West’s intervention  has led to the persecution of Christians, and for the most part, has eliminated the indigenous Christian population.  Every single one of our interventions has had this same kind of outcome.

Saddam, though a tyrant,  protected Christians during his reign. Once he was toppled, the persecution of Christians was immediate. The US government under Bush/Obama did nothing and did not protest. The Assyrian Christians there were quietly deported to Sweden, which granted them asylum. Think about it: a country under American control persecuting its Christians with the tacit permission of the Americans (who now go to war to protect “human rights”).

Mubarak held the line as best he could against anti-Christian actions. He didn’t do a great job of it, mind you, but tried his best in view of the anti-Christian atmosphere among the populace. But the day he was forced out of office — under pressure from Obama — the Egyptian military fired on monks and workers at a Coptic monastery.

The Ivory Coast had a Christian president, Laurent Gbagbo, who claimed election fraud in his re-election bid. Indeed, there was strong evidence that there was fraud and that the Muslim candidate who claimed victory had in fact lost on number of votes (as I reported before, I read this in a French paper that had the chutzpah to report it, showing photos of altered ballots). The UN kicked out the Christian and declared the Muslim president without investigating the claims of fraud. In one area under UN control, 1000 Christians were murdered. There was no meaningful protest from any Western powers, which months prior to this had investigated reports of human rights violations by the Christian president.

Next in line is Syria. Obama has drawn a bead on President Basher Assad. Now, you may be wondering about Syria’s record on Christianity. A few years back a Syrian pastor visited our church and told us that, amazingly, Syria, at least at that time, was so Christian-friendly that the government there actually donated construction materials for the building of Christian churches. I believe this was true. The leadership has not changes since then, so we are talking about another Christian-friendly country that may soon fall into the hands of violent, brutal Islamists. No wonder the Christian-hostile Western powers are eager to see Syria fall. God protect the Christians there should that happen!

Anyone who wishes to learn the details of brutal Chinese and N. Korean persecution of Christians can go to sites like Voice of Martyrs and read gut-wrenching horror stories of abuse. Yet what do we do about China? Why we practice “free” trade with them of such magnitude that we destroy Western industry and make them the second richest nation on earth, and Obama fetes Hu Jintao in the White House, even as Chinese dissidents, including Nobel prize winner Liu Xiaobao sit in Chinese prisons for speaking their minds. Apparently, freedom of speech is only a “universal right” in Muslim countries where dissidents seek to topple Christian-friendly governments. Go ahead, tell me I am exaggerating.

Question for the reader:

Does anyone here think the West, which wages war at the drop of a hat over “human rights,” will ever do anything to protect Christians outside the West and do you expect these same Western powers never to persecute Western Christians once they think the coast is clear? 

It is constantly suggested in the media that the purpose of “separation of church and state” is to protect non-Christians from human rights violations by theocratically minded Christians.

But here is what most of us have been lulled into forgetting:

It is one thing — and quite a bad thing — for the government to favor the majority religion over another or set up a theocracy. But it is quite another for a government to promote, through its foreign policies, groups that persecute people of any religion because of their religion.

It is time the West woke up to see what is really going on under our very noses.

It is time we the people took back the West.

In a very real way, we are under a hostile foreign occupation, by a Right-Left coalition of Democrats and GOP in America and by the UN, NATO and the EU in Europe, whose actions consistently run counter to the will of the people. We the people have a sovereign right to our own culture and do not have to be manipulated into abandoning it in favor of a foreign one.

Of course, we also have the right to continue committing national suicide if that is what we really want.

It is up to us.

Does the West have the will to survive?

Since the writing of this article, our friend in Christ Berit Kjos added a link to it at her site. She added some information in a yellow box at the top. Please check it out:

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/011/hank/anti-christian.htm

Further reading:

World Day of Prayer banned in China:

http://blog.beliefnet.com/pray_for_the_persecuted_church/2011/05/chinese-catholics-decide-to-defy-day-of-prayer-ban.html?source=NEWSLETTER&nlsource=11&ppc=&utm_campaign=Bible&utm_source=NL&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_term=verizon.net

Obama to Mubarak (Jan.): “Free speech is a human right.”

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/463135-President_Obama_To_Mubarak_Free_Speech_Is_Human_Right.php

Executed in N Korea for not renouncing faith in Christ:

http://www.frontline.org.za/articles/FirsthandTestimoniesOfChristianCourageAmid.htm

Kim Jong Il starved 2 million to death:

http://persecution.net/northkorea.htm

N. Korea inters, beats to death Christians

http://www.persecution.org/2011/03/16/campaign-to-end-persecution-of-christians-in-north-korea/

Christians pulverized with steam rollers in North Korea:

http://northkoreanchristians.com/

1,000 Christians murdered in Ivory Coast under UN watch:

http://laiglesforum.com/us-media-cover-up-ivory-coast-massacre-details/2398.htm

Western hypocrisy in Muslim conflicts

http://laiglesforum.com/why-i-am-not-on-our-side-any-more/2174.htm

Scandinavia has finally had enough

by Don Hank

Scandinavia, having been forced — along with other countries with strong economies — by their EU Rulers to pay  bailouts to irresponsible banks and governments, and having witnessed first-hand the damage done by hordes of hostile Muslim immigrants, has been turning steadily rightward, as shown by a landmark election in 2006.

The Swedish welfare state has been collapsing due in large part to the importation of overwhelming numbers of Muslims who indulge in crimes like rape, and theft that native Swedes have long eschewed.

In one interview, Muslim criminals claimed they enjoyed robbing Swedes because they are wimps who never resist and because they don’t like the way Swedes look at them. Like their counterparts throughout Europe, the Swedes are definitely wimps, no doubts about it.

A Swedish sociology prof says the solution is “jobs for everyone.” In other words, keep importing Muslims who hate you, keep them on the social assistance (welfare) rolls, but for goodness sakes, give the poor things your job. That will solve everything by putting you the Swedes on welfare and letting them pay your way for a change.

If someone broke into his home and raped his wife, I wonder if this sweet professor would offer the rapist-thief a job.

In response, political parties labeled as “ultraright” by the ultraleft (the average university “educated” European professional these days) are surging in Scandinavia.

Just this week, the nationalist, anti-EU True Finns party won dramatic electoral gains, showing that an increasing number of Finns have had enough of bailouts and hostile immigrants rammed down their throats by the tyrannical Brussels bureaucrats-in-chief.

Unfortunately, in the US, the people and their politicians are prioritizing anything but illegal immigration and that spells trouble ahead.

According to Judicial Watch, the Obama administration’s answer to illegal immigration and drug trafficking by Mexicans in the US is to make it impossible for the Border Patrol to interfere with their “business”!

It is tragic that so few seem to care.

But like Europe, we may have to learn this lesson the hard way.

This week’s Finnish right turn:

http://www.hs.fi/english/article/EDITORIAL+Timo+Soini+rewrote+the+electoral+history+books/1135265522647

Swedish crisis:

http://newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/1220

US “solution” to drug smuggling:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/apr/border-patrol-banned-top-smuggler-routes

Sweden’s right turn:

http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/sep2006/gb20060918_063866.htm