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		<title>By: CHRISTIAN &#38; MISSIONARY ALLIANCE &#171; Missing the the point?</title>
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		<dc:creator>CHRISTIAN &#38; MISSIONARY ALLIANCE &#171; Missing the the point?</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
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		<description>In regard to the CHRISTIAN &amp; MISSIONARY ALLIANCE I myself have ecountered pastors, district superintendents too both  IN QUEBEC AND IN ALBERTA AND I TOO WAS SHOCKED TO FIRTSHAND TO NOTE HOW THEY DO READILY LIE, ABUSE PEOPLE, ARE RUTHLESS, REAL FACTS I HAVE A LONG TIME AGO BEFORE ALL THIS HAD DETAILED EVEN ON THE WEB, TO CANADA’S MAJOR NEWS EDITORS, THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENTS NOWTOO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regard to the CHRISTIAN &amp; MISSIONARY ALLIANCE I myself have ecountered pastors, district superintendents too both  IN QUEBEC AND IN ALBERTA AND I TOO WAS SHOCKED TO FIRTSHAND TO NOTE HOW THEY DO READILY LIE, ABUSE PEOPLE, ARE RUTHLESS, REAL FACTS I HAVE A LONG TIME AGO BEFORE ALL THIS HAD DETAILED EVEN ON THE WEB, TO CANADA’S MAJOR NEWS EDITORS, THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENTS NOWTOO.</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 19:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May 10, 2008 Christian and Missionary Alliance Denomination
Filed under: News and politics — thenonconformer @ 7:08 pm 
Tags: Christian and Missionary Alliance  Prime minister of Canada  Stephen Harper&#039;s church too..
“Saturday, May 03, 2008 Christian and Missionary Alliance Denomination
Years ago I was a member of a Christian and Missionary Alliance Church in Santa Monica. The denomination closed us down, too. I guess they took whatever was in the bank account, even though the pastor was left without a job. They did not show any sympathy for our little church closing…so I can understand a little about how this Vietnamese church felt.”

CHRISTIAN &amp; MISSIONARY ALLIANCE LEADERS DEFRAUD VIETNAMESE BOAT PEOPLE OF $90,000 BANK ACCOUNT

PRESS RELEASE
DATE: MAY 1, 2008
LOCATION: LONG BEACH, CALIFORNIA, U.S.A.
CONTACT: DANIEL NGUYEN (Vietnamese Alliance Member),

EMAIL: mailto:pouchgman@juno.com 

“In another act of piracy, the Christian &amp; Missionary Alliance collects more booty from Vietnamese Boat People Christians than it would have by ransacking them on the high seas. This hostile takeover is on the heels of a major lawsuit filed by a group of former members of the Chinese Alliance Church of Colorado Springs against the Christian and Missionary Alliance denomination. On March 24, 2008, the C&amp;MA, once again in a gesture of unbridled greed, seized the $90,000 bank account of another C&amp;MA church, the Vietnamese Alliance Church of Long Beach, California. Reminiscent of what the C&amp;MA did to the Chinese Alliance church, members of the Vietnamese church discovered that the locks on their church were changed, too, effectively rendering members as trespassers on their own property. And in like manner to the Chinese Alliance Church, C&amp;MA leaders declared the Vietnamese church meetings invalid, trashed and held in complete contempt the local church’s constitution and bylaws, abused their spiritual authority, vilified the victims, defamed the messengers, and engaged in extolling and covering up the extortioner’s deeds. “

I had attended this church in Canada for over 8 years, and not by a long shot can they be even considered a Christian Church.. thieves, liars, slanderers, home breakers yes..
http://groups.msn.com/CanadaToday6/stephenharperschurch.msnw
Christian Missionary Alliance Fraud By James Sundquist
Posted on  07 May 2008 17:03:50 +0000 8, 2006 by Darren Crane

In another act of piracy, the Christian &amp; Missionary Alliance collects more booty from Vietnamese Boat People Christians than it would have by ransacking them on the high seas. This hostile takeover is on the heels of a major lawsuit filed by a group of former members of the Chinese Alliance Church of Colorado Springs against the Christian and Missionary Alliance denomination. On March 24, 2008, the C&amp;MA, once again in a gesture of unbridled greed, seized the $90,000 bank account of another C&amp;MA church, the Vietnamese Alliance Church of Long Beach, California. Reminiscent of what the C&amp;MA did to the Chinese Alliance church, members of the Vietnamese church discovered that the locks on their church were changed too, effectively rendering members as trespassers on their own property. And in like manner to the Chinese Alliance Church, C&amp;MA leaders declared the Vietnamese church meetings invalid, trashed and held in complete contempt the local church’s constitution and bylaws, abused their spiritual authority, vilified the victims, defamed the messengers, and engaged in extolling and covering up the extortioner’s deeds.

The absence of response of most of the C&amp;MA pastors to the SOS cries of the Chinese Christians’ plight was deafening. Most C&amp;MA pastors retaliated in response to my report, showing virtually no compassion for the plight of the Chinese Christians who lost their property, Bibles, and assets to the C&amp;MA leaders. It will be interesting to see how they will respond now that the C&amp;MA leaders did it again by picking off and poaching another Asian American church without even catching their breath, or ever repenting for what they did to the Chinese Alliance church (one response has already come in from Senior Pastor Tom Lance of The Grove Community Church, retaliating and censoring his own staff from hearing the truth, just like Daniel Wetzel did— see full report available upon request). It is the intent of many members of the Vietnamese Alliance church to alert and warn all C&amp;MA churches, the church at large, and the Asian community throughout the world, that this could happen to them too! Now that it has happened twice, maybe they will be believed and even more will run stories on this second hijacking.

Swindlers, slanderers, traitors, and plunderers can’t enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but they can become and remain District Superintendents in the Christian and Missionary Alliance, and host them May 5-7, 2008 [http://www.cmaspd.org/]. In refusing to repent, showing no remorse or shame, refusing correction, and refusing restitution after plundering the Chinese Alliance Church, then doing it again to the Vietnamese Alliance Church, C&amp;MA Vice President John Soper and his C&amp;MA collaborators are without excuse and are spiritually twice dead. They are “Bad Samaritans from Hell” vs. Good Samaritans who take care of victims instead of creating them. The Apostle Peter said that “true religion is ministry to orphans and widows.” The C&amp;MA is not ministering to orphans and widows when C&amp;MA churches all stand to lose their bank accounts, church property and Bibles to the C&amp;MA leadership. No wonder that the Prophet Isaiah warned the people: woe to false shepherds, derelict guardians, imaginary public protectors like these C&amp;MA leaders ‘who call evil good’. The C&amp;MA leaders did NOT walk in same steps as the Apostle Paul, to the Chinese and Vietnamese Christians, for Paul told the Corinthians “What I want is NOT your possessions”…or “exploit you through any of the men I sent you” but “spend for you EVERYTHING I have.” [2 Cor. 12:14-18] Take heed of Jesus Christ’s warning of turning his house of prayer into a den of thieves.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May 10, 2008 Christian and Missionary Alliance Denomination<br />
Filed under: News and politics — thenonconformer @ 7:08 pm<br />
Tags: Christian and Missionary Alliance  Prime minister of Canada  Stephen Harper&#8217;s church too..<br />
“Saturday, May 03, 2008 Christian and Missionary Alliance Denomination<br />
Years ago I was a member of a Christian and Missionary Alliance Church in Santa Monica. The denomination closed us down, too. I guess they took whatever was in the bank account, even though the pastor was left without a job. They did not show any sympathy for our little church closing…so I can understand a little about how this Vietnamese church felt.”</p>
<p>CHRISTIAN &amp; MISSIONARY ALLIANCE LEADERS DEFRAUD VIETNAMESE BOAT PEOPLE OF $90,000 BANK ACCOUNT</p>
<p>PRESS RELEASE<br />
DATE: MAY 1, 2008<br />
LOCATION: LONG BEACH, CALIFORNIA, U.S.A.<br />
CONTACT: DANIEL NGUYEN (Vietnamese Alliance Member),</p>
<p>EMAIL: mailto:pouchgman@juno.com </p>
<p>“In another act of piracy, the Christian &amp; Missionary Alliance collects more booty from Vietnamese Boat People Christians than it would have by ransacking them on the high seas. This hostile takeover is on the heels of a major lawsuit filed by a group of former members of the Chinese Alliance Church of Colorado Springs against the Christian and Missionary Alliance denomination. On March 24, 2008, the C&amp;MA, once again in a gesture of unbridled greed, seized the $90,000 bank account of another C&amp;MA church, the Vietnamese Alliance Church of Long Beach, California. Reminiscent of what the C&amp;MA did to the Chinese Alliance church, members of the Vietnamese church discovered that the locks on their church were changed, too, effectively rendering members as trespassers on their own property. And in like manner to the Chinese Alliance Church, C&amp;MA leaders declared the Vietnamese church meetings invalid, trashed and held in complete contempt the local church’s constitution and bylaws, abused their spiritual authority, vilified the victims, defamed the messengers, and engaged in extolling and covering up the extortioner’s deeds. “</p>
<p>I had attended this church in Canada for over 8 years, and not by a long shot can they be even considered a Christian Church.. thieves, liars, slanderers, home breakers yes..<br />
<a href="http://groups.msn.com/CanadaToday6/stephenharperschurch.msnw" rel="nofollow">http://groups.msn.com/CanadaToday6/stephenharperschurch.msnw</a><br />
Christian Missionary Alliance Fraud By James Sundquist<br />
Posted on  07 May 2008 17:03:50 +0000 8, 2006 by Darren Crane</p>
<p>In another act of piracy, the Christian &amp; Missionary Alliance collects more booty from Vietnamese Boat People Christians than it would have by ransacking them on the high seas. This hostile takeover is on the heels of a major lawsuit filed by a group of former members of the Chinese Alliance Church of Colorado Springs against the Christian and Missionary Alliance denomination. On March 24, 2008, the C&amp;MA, once again in a gesture of unbridled greed, seized the $90,000 bank account of another C&amp;MA church, the Vietnamese Alliance Church of Long Beach, California. Reminiscent of what the C&amp;MA did to the Chinese Alliance church, members of the Vietnamese church discovered that the locks on their church were changed too, effectively rendering members as trespassers on their own property. And in like manner to the Chinese Alliance Church, C&amp;MA leaders declared the Vietnamese church meetings invalid, trashed and held in complete contempt the local church’s constitution and bylaws, abused their spiritual authority, vilified the victims, defamed the messengers, and engaged in extolling and covering up the extortioner’s deeds.</p>
<p>The absence of response of most of the C&amp;MA pastors to the SOS cries of the Chinese Christians’ plight was deafening. Most C&amp;MA pastors retaliated in response to my report, showing virtually no compassion for the plight of the Chinese Christians who lost their property, Bibles, and assets to the C&amp;MA leaders. It will be interesting to see how they will respond now that the C&amp;MA leaders did it again by picking off and poaching another Asian American church without even catching their breath, or ever repenting for what they did to the Chinese Alliance church (one response has already come in from Senior Pastor Tom Lance of The Grove Community Church, retaliating and censoring his own staff from hearing the truth, just like Daniel Wetzel did— see full report available upon request). It is the intent of many members of the Vietnamese Alliance church to alert and warn all C&amp;MA churches, the church at large, and the Asian community throughout the world, that this could happen to them too! Now that it has happened twice, maybe they will be believed and even more will run stories on this second hijacking.</p>
<p>Swindlers, slanderers, traitors, and plunderers can’t enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but they can become and remain District Superintendents in the Christian and Missionary Alliance, and host them May 5-7, 2008 [http://www.cmaspd.org/]. In refusing to repent, showing no remorse or shame, refusing correction, and refusing restitution after plundering the Chinese Alliance Church, then doing it again to the Vietnamese Alliance Church, C&amp;MA Vice President John Soper and his C&amp;MA collaborators are without excuse and are spiritually twice dead. They are “Bad Samaritans from Hell” vs. Good Samaritans who take care of victims instead of creating them. The Apostle Peter said that “true religion is ministry to orphans and widows.” The C&amp;MA is not ministering to orphans and widows when C&amp;MA churches all stand to lose their bank accounts, church property and Bibles to the C&amp;MA leadership. No wonder that the Prophet Isaiah warned the people: woe to false shepherds, derelict guardians, imaginary public protectors like these C&amp;MA leaders ‘who call evil good’. The C&amp;MA leaders did NOT walk in same steps as the Apostle Paul, to the Chinese and Vietnamese Christians, for Paul told the Corinthians “What I want is NOT your possessions”…or “exploit you through any of the men I sent you” but “spend for you EVERYTHING I have.” [2 Cor. 12:14-18] Take heed of Jesus Christ’s warning of turning his house of prayer into a den of thieves.&#8221;</p>
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